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virtualinsomniaOkay, so I've had this little pet theory about Supernatural and what's up with Sam's powers. I've had it ever since "Nightmare" aired. (And even before that, like as early as "Bloody Mary", it was germinating. But "Nightmare" sealed the deal for me.) And after Thursday's ep? I was even more convinced than ever. But little did I know, there is PROOF THAT I AM RIGHT ACTUALLY THERE ON THE SCREEN IN THE SHOW!!!
So my theory is that the demon totally pulled a "Zeus" and has been sleeping with human women for years and years. He probably disguised himself to do so, which would explain why the demon looked so much like John in the Pilot when Mary saw his profile standing over the crib, and she thought it was her husband.
Why would he do this? Why, to build himself an army of half breeds, of course! Which means that Sam is not John's son, but is, in fact, the demon's son instead. And this is why some of his powers seem to mirror some of the demons. (TK, anyone? The demons sure do LOVE their TK.) And the killing of the mothers is some kind of ritualistic ceremony to perhaps awaken Demon Daddy Dearest's kids to their powers. I mean, it happens at exactly 6 months every time, with the exact same signs and portends beforehand? And it happens in the same way? The mother is lifted to the ceiling and gutted above the child's crib so her blood runs onto him/her. And then she is immolated, almost like she's being pulled into hell itself. All right above the baby. If that's not a very specific ritual, then I don't know what is. The demon is eliminating the loving, human influence on all these kids, and it's got to be for a specific reason. He's preparing them to be his soldiers.
Not to mention, John going to ground to find out for sure if Sammy was a) really his son and b) part-demon makes tons more sense than any of the half-assed explanations he actually gave his sons for his vanishing act. He told Missouri that he had to find out "the truth" before he could talk to his sons again. Methinks he did.
So, where's my proof? Other than the hints the show has given us up until now, which could be taken in any number of ways?
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presentiment with this, as she was the one to recognize the symbol.
Exhibit One
Exhibit Two
According to the Book of Enoch, Azazel was one of the grigori (also known as "watchers"), a group of fallen angels who mated with mortal women, giving rise to a race of hybrids known as the Nephilim. Azazel is particularly noteworthy among the grigori because it was he who taught men how to make weapons of war, as well as teaching women how to make and wear cosmetics. Eventually, Azazel's teachings created such iniquity that God decided to destroy all life on Earth with Noah's Flood.
So, am I right or am I right? Hot damn, I rock! And I figured it out back during "Nightmare" in S1! *g*
Oh, and also? OMG POOR SAMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!! *hugs him*
And? Dean totally knows now, because that had to have been what John whispered in his ear in the hospital.
*flails from the excitement*
Thursday seems like forever from now...
ETA: Unlocking this, because I found out it's being linked from several different places! Wow. :-)
ETA 2: Great minds think alike?destina and I have very similar posts, though hers is way more eloquent and thoughtful than mine. *g* Go read hers here.
ETA 3: Just re-asserting my credit where credit is due remarks outside of the lj-cut.presentiment is who made this post possible, as she was the one to provide me with the proof I needed for my theory. :-)
ETA 4: I have found more proof, this time from the official site.
The official site has actually said that it's the Sigil of Azazel.
"The sigil of Azazel is the symbol that John draws as he is preparing to summon the demon. The name Azazel is most commonly used as a reference to Satan or a fallen angel. By drawing the sigil of Azazel, John is drawing a sigil, a symbol that is used for magical purposes, of the devil."
(That is straight from the definition pad in the backseat of the car. Feel free to go check it out for yourselves.)
Well, this certainly supports the whole The Demon = Satan theory. Sam could be the Son of Satan! Which sounds a little silly when you say it like that, doesn't it? *g*
So my theory is that the demon totally pulled a "Zeus" and has been sleeping with human women for years and years. He probably disguised himself to do so, which would explain why the demon looked so much like John in the Pilot when Mary saw his profile standing over the crib, and she thought it was her husband.
Why would he do this? Why, to build himself an army of half breeds, of course! Which means that Sam is not John's son, but is, in fact, the demon's son instead. And this is why some of his powers seem to mirror some of the demons. (TK, anyone? The demons sure do LOVE their TK.) And the killing of the mothers is some kind of ritualistic ceremony to perhaps awaken Demon Daddy Dearest's kids to their powers. I mean, it happens at exactly 6 months every time, with the exact same signs and portends beforehand? And it happens in the same way? The mother is lifted to the ceiling and gutted above the child's crib so her blood runs onto him/her. And then she is immolated, almost like she's being pulled into hell itself. All right above the baby. If that's not a very specific ritual, then I don't know what is. The demon is eliminating the loving, human influence on all these kids, and it's got to be for a specific reason. He's preparing them to be his soldiers.
Not to mention, John going to ground to find out for sure if Sammy was a) really his son and b) part-demon makes tons more sense than any of the half-assed explanations he actually gave his sons for his vanishing act. He told Missouri that he had to find out "the truth" before he could talk to his sons again. Methinks he did.
So, where's my proof? Other than the hints the show has given us up until now, which could be taken in any number of ways?
I have to credit
presentiment with this, as she was the one to recognize the symbol.Exhibit One
Exhibit Two
According to the Book of Enoch, Azazel was one of the grigori (also known as "watchers"), a group of fallen angels who mated with mortal women, giving rise to a race of hybrids known as the Nephilim. Azazel is particularly noteworthy among the grigori because it was he who taught men how to make weapons of war, as well as teaching women how to make and wear cosmetics. Eventually, Azazel's teachings created such iniquity that God decided to destroy all life on Earth with Noah's Flood.
So, am I right or am I right? Hot damn, I rock! And I figured it out back during "Nightmare" in S1! *g*
Oh, and also? OMG POOR SAMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!! *hugs him*
And? Dean totally knows now, because that had to have been what John whispered in his ear in the hospital.
*flails from the excitement*
Thursday seems like forever from now...
ETA: Unlocking this, because I found out it's being linked from several different places! Wow. :-)
ETA 2: Great minds think alike?
destina and I have very similar posts, though hers is way more eloquent and thoughtful than mine. *g* Go read hers here.ETA 3: Just re-asserting my credit where credit is due remarks outside of the lj-cut.
presentiment is who made this post possible, as she was the one to provide me with the proof I needed for my theory. :-)ETA 4: I have found more proof, this time from the official site.
The official site has actually said that it's the Sigil of Azazel.
"The sigil of Azazel is the symbol that John draws as he is preparing to summon the demon. The name Azazel is most commonly used as a reference to Satan or a fallen angel. By drawing the sigil of Azazel, John is drawing a sigil, a symbol that is used for magical purposes, of the devil."
(That is straight from the definition pad in the backseat of the car. Feel free to go check it out for yourselves.)
Well, this certainly supports the whole The Demon = Satan theory. Sam could be the Son of Satan! Which sounds a little silly when you say it like that, doesn't it? *g*
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Date: 2006-09-30 08:38 am (UTC)Which, you're right, seems so far away!
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Date: 2006-09-30 04:59 pm (UTC)*flails*
Man, I am so excited to see where they go with this!!!
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Date: 2006-09-30 04:20 pm (UTC)Love to stay and play but I can't. I'll try and come back later tonight!
*smooch*
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Date: 2006-09-30 05:10 pm (UTC)Micheal Knibb lists the translation of his name as “The evening of God”. Other lists translate his name as arrogant towards God; the combination of azaz [as a negative partivcle] and El 'God'.
And...
Azazel is the chief of the Se'irim, or goat-demons, who haunted the desert and to whom most primitive Semitic tribes offered sacrifices. The Old Testament states that Jeroboam appointed priests for the Se'irim. But Josiah destroyed the places of their worship, as the practices accompanying this worship involved copulation of women with goats.
See? Again with the sex with human women! It's totally a theme. (And also? Goat sex? Ew.)
The Se'irim, or hairy ones as the word itself means, are mentioned in Leviticus 17:7 and 2 Chronicles 11:15 as "goat-demons". Isaiah 34:14 says that the "goat-demons" greet each other among the ruins of Edom along with Lilith and other wild beasts.
The name Azazel may be derived from azaz meaning strong, rugged, or grandeur/majesty, and el meaning of God or strong, giving either strong one of God or referring to the rugged and rough mountain cliff from which the goat was cast down.[1] Some propose that Azazel may have been derived from the Canaanite god 'Asiz, who caused the sun to burn strongly. It has also been theorized that he has been influenced by the Egyptian god, Set.
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Date: 2006-09-30 05:13 pm (UTC)Azazel is also known as Azazil in Arabic. He became known as Iblis (meaning "despair" or "the despaired"), the Deceiver, when he was banished from Heaven after disobeying by refusing to bow to Adam on God's command. In Islam, Azazil is the lord of all demons as Adam is king of humans.
Lord of all demons, huh? Interesting...
According to some, Azazel is merely a synonym word for Hell; in Modern Hebrew, "lekh l'Azazel" is the equivalent of the English curse "go to Hell". Others say that he was a mighty cherub and that he is the principal standard-bearer of the infernal armies. Often said to be one of the world's first evils, he is commonly placed high in Hell's hierarchy.
Some use Azazel as a synonym of Satan, but others are of the opinion that they are separate entities, though many agree that Satan's traditional satyr-like appearance is most likely originally based on Azazel, since Azazel was often said to appear similar to that of Lévi's depiction of Baphomet, as that of a goat with human disposition, often with a pair of leathery wings.
Some also identify Azazel with The Beast or as The Dragon from Revelation
I wonder if the show will go the Azazel = Satan route? They sure do like to make him seem really important...
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Date: 2006-09-30 05:28 pm (UTC)I am dying right now. I literally just made a huge post about this using the exact same pictures as evidence. I wouldn't have known about your post, were it not for someone *else* posting the same theory in supernatural_tv, and then someone *else* linked to your post.
Dude, fannish hive mind *rules*. *g*
I don't necessarily think Sam is the demon's son, tho. My theory is a little different. I think Sam could be a Nephalim, but he could have been sired by any of the other Grigori. It might be that Azazel is just hunting them down. But I love your idea about John seeking 'the truth'. One of my major questions is -- at what point did John figure it out?? If this is really the direction they are going with it, that's going to be a big point of contention.
Also, you figured it out way earlier than me. I didn't figure it out until I started googling for sigils after IMTOD. Kudos. *g*
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Date: 2006-09-30 06:16 pm (UTC)And interesting thought. Though the fact that the demon seems convinced that Sam won't be a threat to him suggests to me that he's his son. After all, would a son kill his own father, no matter who he was? And Sam couldn't kill John in DT, which would support the demon's theory. (Of course, I think the demon is underestimating both Sam AND Dean, but that remains to be seen.)
Also? Go fannish hive minds! *twirls* Such fun! :-)
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Date: 2006-09-30 06:20 pm (UTC)Though the fact that the demon seems convinced that Sam won't be a threat to him suggests to me that he's his son. After all, would a son kill his own father, no matter who he was?
I think the demon thinks Sam isn't a threat because maybe Sam can't hurt him. *g*
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Date: 2006-09-30 06:18 pm (UTC)I think he suspected just before the events in the Pilot, which was why he vanished. And I think he figured it out sometime after "Home" but before "Shadow." And that's about as specific as I'm comfortable with getting with the evidence we have so far. :-)
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Date: 2006-10-01 12:10 am (UTC)And good call on the symbol.
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Date: 2006-10-01 05:54 am (UTC)I'm also wondering what else was up Papa's sleeve (cuz there had to've been something more than just that Sammy was a Nephilim (or the like). Gads!! It's killing me!!
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Date: 2006-10-01 12:19 am (UTC)http://demons.monstrous.com/the_books_of_enoch.htm
Just thought I'd share. :)
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Date: 2006-10-01 12:30 am (UTC)and oh, LOVE LOVE LOVE the header!!!!!
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Date: 2006-10-01 02:16 am (UTC)And thanks! :-)
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Date: 2006-10-01 02:52 am (UTC)Hmmm... puts a whole new twist into Sam and Dean's love affair ;)
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Date: 2006-10-02 07:08 am (UTC)Otherwise...well yeah, the Nephilim idea has been rattling around the back of my brain for a while, too.
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Date: 2006-10-02 02:50 pm (UTC)I think we'll know more, if others of these special children have lost their girlfriends and boyfriends.
/is pulling straws
//something like that
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Date: 2006-10-02 09:00 pm (UTC)Honestly, the Jess thing never seemed to fit in with the demon's MO to me, since it was always killing mothers, and it did it when the kids were babies. Unless, as you said, we find more of them who had girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses killed later in life, then the Jess thing seems like an aberration, like it was something the writers did to make us believe that Sam would join the hunt, without any regard for how it fits into the overall demonic plot.
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Date: 2006-10-03 04:03 pm (UTC)The mother is lifted to the ceiling and gutted above the child's crib so her blood runs onto him/her. And then she is immolated, almost like she's being pulled into hell itself. All right above the baby. If that's not a very specific ritual, then I don't know what is.
I've read theories before that the killing of the mother has to do with some sort of blood ritual, but never really gave it much thought. Until now. Because if what you say specifically about the blood running onto the baby is true, maybe we now know why Jessica was killed.
IIRC, Mary's blood didn't land on baby Sam. It landed on the bedding beside his head. Which means maybe the ritual (if there was one) wasn't completed. Jessica's blood, however, did hit it's mark, i.e. Sam's forehead.
So maybe her death had nothing to do with getting rid of caring influences in Sam's life, and everything to do with completing the blood ritual? Which would then...what? Set Sam finally on the path to becoming unhinged? Set in motion the forces that would cause the world and the people around Sammy to become crazy-making forces? Something?
*ponders fascinatedly*
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